Submitted by climaterealists on Tue, 06/07/2010 - 14:24
Glocktalk
Myth of Consensus Explodes: APS Opens Global Warming Debate
"Considerable presence" of skeptics
The American Physical Society, an organization representing nearly 50,000 physicists, has reversed its stance on climate change and is now proclaiming that many of its members disbelieve in human-induced global warming. The APS is also sponsoring public debate on the validity of global warming science. The leadership of the society had previously called the evidence for global warming "incontrovertible."
Submitted by climaterealists on Tue, 06/07/2010 - 14:13
Submitted by climaterealists on Tue, 06/07/2010 - 14:11
Here are some of my thoughts on climate change.
- The climate fascists are I believe purposely confusing anthropogenic climate change, natural/cyclic climate change, and local pollution. One doesn’t exist, one can’t be changed by humans, and the third can’t be legislated away by anyone from here. It’s a direct and predictable result of schools no longer being required to teach basic science.
- Local pollution is bad, locally, and needs to be addressed, locally. The main culprits are China and India, which is where the pressure should be applied. However, climate fascists from here will be ignored if they try and organize protests in India, and arrested if they try to organize protests in China. You’re just not going to get governments in overpopulated countries to feel bad when their industrial policies cause them to croak off an extra couple-hundred-thousand of their most wretched citizens every year. In their way of thinking, they lost more of their people through starvation and disease before they industrialized.
Submitted by climaterealists on Tue, 06/07/2010 - 14:08
Dear Simon
Annual power bills $3800
Annual fuel bills $6200
I promise you that neither I nor my family will ever vote for you or your party again.
Submitted by climaterealists on Tue, 06/07/2010 - 14:06
Hi Chris,
this time I am not going to get into science or add Links but swing to a view point that might make more of an impression.
No Politician will ever convince me that Man Made CO2 is causing global temp changes so I have decided the way to approach this is to get the word out - and so far it does not bode well for National.
National's current actions are alienating voters.
Recently at one of John Boscawens meetings I purchased a couple of Bumper Stickers - pro CO2 - and then joined the:
Submitted by climaterealists on Tue, 06/07/2010 - 14:02
- special report by Tony Orman
Nick Smith has told Marlborough people to not vote National in next year's election, if they are opposed to the National-led government's Emissions Trading Scheme.
After an address he was answering questions from the gathering of 150 when he made the statement three or four times. It probably did not dawn on the Climate Change Minister that Colin King, the National MP for Kaikoura, which takes in Marlborough was there chairing the meeting.
The meeting was one of the Emissions Trading Scheme (ETS) road show meetings.
Submitted by climaterealists on Tue, 06/07/2010 - 13:50
- an alternative viewpoint by JH, presented in a series of email exchanges.
I recently attended a meeting in Winton with John Boscawen MP. It occurred to me during his delivery on ETS that the time has come for lateral thinking, literally 'outside the square'.
The square we're trapped in lacks substance. It's an illusion and we are held by our own uncritical acceptance of that illusion. Every day of every week I'm reminded that if we "keep doing what we've always done, we'll always get what we've always got". Isn't it time now to stop doing what we've always done?
Submitted by climaterealists on Tue, 06/07/2010 - 13:31
Andrew Bolt – Wednesday, June 30, 10
New Zealand discovers what a useless and corrupt rort an emissions trading scheme really is:
New Zealand’s failure to cut greenhouse gas emissions has left taxpayers staring down the barrel of a Kyoto Protocol liability of at least $1 billion and possibly more than $5 billion, according to a book analysing National’s emissions trading system.
The authors of The Carbon Challenge - Victoria University researcher and economist Geoff Bertram and climate-change analyst and researcher Simon Terry - also describe the Government’s current ETS as “technically obsolete” and “beyond rescue” as a sustainable framework for tackling climate change.
They say the scheme will not make any inroads into cutting New Zealand’s gross emissions levels.
On top of that, the ETS was so unfair in the way it distributed benefits to high emitters with political influence, while placing a regressive quasi-tax burden on households, that there was a risk it could undermine the public’s willingness to support a stronger regime in the future.
Such was the scale of subsidies that only one in every five dollars charged under the ETS would become available to the Government to pay off the Kyoto liability. Households already bore half the total costs resulting from the ETS during its first five years while accounting for just a fifth of all emissions,
This is the kind of thing the Gillard Government still is promising us.
Submitted by climaterealists on Tue, 06/07/2010 - 13:28
Submitted by climaterealists on Thu, 01/07/2010 - 22:26
John Boscawen MP, ACT New Zealand
Press Release: Thursday, July 1 2010
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