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Climatologist is wrong about meat.

Pastural Farming Climate Research- Members' newsletter

21 February 2011


Dr James Hansen, who is described as a top climatologist from the Goddard Institute has called for a reduction in the concentration of CO2 in the atmosphere.

“We have to actually reduce the amount of CO2 in the atmosphere; It’s already increased to about 385 parts per million. If we want to stop the warming and stop the melting of more ice, we are going to have to reduce the CO2 at least back to 350 ppm, and perhaps even somewhat lower.”

This is what he is asking people to do to achieve this;

“There are many things that people can do to reduce their carbon emissions, but changing your light bulb and many of the things are much less effective than changing your diet, because if you eat further down on the food chain rather than animals, which have produced many greenhouse gases, and used much energy in the process of growing that meat, you can actually make a bigger contribution in that way than just about anything. So, that, in terms of individual action, is perhaps the best thing you can do.”

How Well Has The Media And Government Informed The Public About CO2 Levels In The Air?

Hitler said, “How fortunate for governments that the people they administer don't think”.

Climate Sceptics Newsletter - March 21st 2011

Dear Readers,
 The climate change / CO2 debate has hotted up greatly.
If you saw the news, you would have noticed how Tony Abbott has not explained how all CO2
 has such a miniscule effect on Global temperatures.
Several Liberals (possibly himself included) know the facts so the Liberals should be able to explain how useless any action

Federated Farmers Advisory regarding ETS Review

18 March 2011

Emissions Trading Scheme Review

All members

A review is underway

The government have established a panel to review the emissions trading scheme (ETS), and the panel have released an issues statement with technical questions they would like to receive public submissions.

The deadline for submissions on the Issues Statement is Friday 6 April 2011.

Federated Farmers is currently working on its response to the panel’s issues statement.

Federated Farmers policy position on the ETS

Federated Farmers strongly opposes biological agricultural emissions from food production remaining in the Kyoto Protocol and subsequent international agreements. Federated Farmers further considers the inclusion of biological agricultural emissions in the ETS should be postponed far beyond the entry date of 2015 currently set in the legislation.

Our preference as an organisation remains that there should be no ETS in New Zealand. If New Zealand must have an ETS, then it must not include biological agricultural emissions. If New Zealand must have an ETS and include biological agricultural emissions, then there are a number of requirements the legislation and regulations would need to satisfy before that could occur.

Don't know the cost, don't know if it works

Andrew Bolt 10 March 2011 

The two basic questions with any purchase. How much does it cost? Will it do the job?

Jill Duggan is from the European Commission’s Directorate General of Climate Action. She is the EC’s National Expert on Carbon Markets and Climate Change. She was head of Britain’s International Emissions Trading. She is in Australia to tell us how good Europe’s emission trading system is and why we should do something similar.

No one, therefore, should better know the answers to the two most basic questions about this huge scheme. The cost? The effect?.

So on MTR yesterday, I asked them. Duggan’s utter inability to answer is a scandal - an indictment of global warming politics today.= (listen here):

AB:  Can I just ask; your target is to cut Europe’s emissions by 20% by 2020?

JD:  Yes.

AB:  Can you tell me how much - to the nearest billions - is that going to cost Europe do you think?

JD:  No, I can’t tell you but I do know that the modelling shows that it’s cheaper to start earlier rather than later, so  it’s cheaper to do it now rather than put off action.

AB:  Right.  You wouldn’t quarrel with Professor Richard Tol - who’s not a climate sceptic - but is professor at the Economic and Social Research Institute in Dublin?  He values it at about $250 billion.  You wouldn’t quarrel with that?

JD:  I probably would actually.  I mean, I don’t know.  It’s very, very difficult to quantify.  You get different changes, don’t you?  And one of the things that’s happening in Europe now is that many governments - such as the UK government and the German government - would like the targets to be tougher because they see it as a real stimulus to the economy.

Two articles exposing actual outcomes of green politics.

While the greens waffle about projected outcomes and computer models, here are some real actual outcomes of green politics:-


Prime Ministers should stop misleading people about "carbon"

NZ Climate Science Coalition press release 16 February 2011

In their references to the "price of carbon" in their discussions the Prime Ministers of Australia and New Zealand should stop misleading people and they should refer to the substance by its correct name carbon dioxide (CO2), the colourless odourless gas which is but a minor trace gas in the greenhouse effect, but which is vitally important to human and plant life on earth. This today from Terry Dunleavy, secretary of the New Zealand Climate Science Coalition.

What did our grandchildren do to deserve the Prince of Wales?

by James Delingpole    9 February 2011 

Today, in that bastion of liberty and open markets the European Parliament, the Prince of Wales argued fervently for the inalienable right of our children and grandchildren to enjoy a worse standard of living than their parents.

Not, of course, that he put it quite so explicitly:

”There is, surely, no way round the fact that we have to move away from our conventional economic model of growth, based, as it is, on the production and consumption of high-carbon intensity goods.

”We need to meet the challenge of decoupling economic growth from increased consumption in such a way that both the well-being of Nature’s ecology and our own economic needs do not suffer.”

Here's to a Better Year! Let's Shelve the ETS

by Joe Fone    5 February 2011

Why Wind Won't Work.

by Viv Forbes,

Why Wind Won't Work?

  • It's Weaker than Water.

A Submission from the Carbon Sense Coalition to the Australian Senate Enquiry into Wind Farms.
February 2011


  • For a pdf of the full report with pictures and all the gory and depressing details see:
  • Why are governments still mollycoddling wind power?

     There is no proof that wind farms reduce carbon dioxide emissions and it is ludicrous to believe that a few windmills in Australia are going to improve global climate.

     Such wondrous expressions of green faith put our politicians on par with those who believe in the tooth fairy.


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