Alan Nicholl: Gluckman with my observations

 OFFICE of the PRIME MINISTER’S SCIENCE ADVISORY COMMITTEE

Professor Sir Peter Gluckman, KNZM FRSNZ FMedSci FRS
Chief Science Advisor
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Climate change
The world’s climate is influenced by a number of factors interacting in very complex and not entirely understood ways. Over the last million years there have been periodic shifts in the temperature of the planet initiated by changes in the orbit of the earth around the sun and in the tilt of the earth’s axis of rotation. These changes have led to periods of global warming and global cooling – the more recent of the latter are termed the Ice Ages. There are also shorter-term fluctuations brought about by a number of factors, including linked atmosphere-ocean changes with an irregular period of several years (El Niño and La Niña events) and sporadic changes brought about by major volcanic eruptions. Global warming does not mean that every part of the globe changes temperature to the same degree or rate.
Well done; however you have missed out the most important factor regarding short term climate change and that is solar variability, resulting from sunspot activity or lack of. Solar scientists have conclusive proof that sunspot activity leads to changes in solar heat output with corresponding changes to earth’s temperature. During the period 1975-1998 sunspot activity was high resulting in increased temperatures not only on earth but on all planets in our solar system. The temperature increase was not therefore peculiar only to earth. This shows that CO2 did not cause this increase. You are quite correct to say that El Nino events cause change the spike in 1998 was because of this factor, however it does not explain the reducing temperatures from 1950 to 1975 nor does it explain the reducing temperatures from 1999 to present day. Sunspot activity correlates perfectly to the above pattern.
Measuring global temperatures over time is complex, but there is a general agreement that the world is experiencing an overall warming trend (with year-to-year fluctuations superimposed). The warming trend over the past 50 years is nearly twice as great as that over the previous 100 years. These escalating temperature changes have been reflected in a number of environmental and biological changes. These include rises in globally averaged sea level, shrinking of summer Arctic sea-ice extent, losses from the Greenland and Antarctic ice sheets, retreat of mountain glaciers, poleward and upward shifts in the range of some plant and animal species, and earlier timing for some species of spring events such as leaf unfolding, bird migration and egg-laying. That this is happening is not contentious.
Here also you appear to be lacking in information as to what has actually happened in past warm periods, especially the Roman and Medieval warm periods. From historical records and archaeological digs across Europe it becomes obvious from the evidence that global temperatures were far higher than now. Crops were grown in places that will now not support such activity. There are hills with the obvious remains of agricultural activity much higher than can be contemplated at this time. During the medieval warm period the Vikings settled Greenland, growing crops and farming sheep and cattle. They were only forced off when the Little Ice Age struck. Archaeological sites confirm this. The retreat of Artic sea ice is not new as it happened numerous times over the 20th century. All are documented.
This change in temperature is different in nature to past temperature changes. In particular, carbon dioxide concentrations are rising in advance of, rather than as a result of, the warming trend.
Who says? With scientists saying that the ice cores show an 800 year lag between temperature rise and CO2 rise this could quite likely be as a result the last warm period which began in 900AD and lasted until 1300AD. Agreed we are using oil and coal, but we can still not rule out the prior possibility. Also there seems to be new information which suggests that CO2 in 1850 was at 425 ppm. I have yet to confirm this.
The vast majority of the world’s climate scientists consider it very likely, based on several lines of evidence, that the current warming trend is of human origin and is associated with increased production of the so-called ‘greenhouse gases’ as a result of fossil fuel use, agriculture and deforestation.
Are you trying to tell me that of the 750 billion tonnes of CO2 in the atmosphere the small amount that we humans are adding is causing climate change. Are you not aware that increasing CO2 will make little difference to temperatures? The first 20 ppm absorb roughly 90% of solar output which relates to CO2. From there on it is a very steep downward curve flattening out at about 100 ppm’s. The rest of the atmospheric CO2 has very little impact on temperatur.
Humans had little impact on the global environment until the advent of agriculture about 10,000 years ago. The Flow-on effects of this agricultural revolution were mutually reinforcing – domestication and farming of ruminant animals such as sheep, cattle and goats, (up until this time were running wild -who is to say there are more live stock now than then) clearing of forests for pasture and crop growing, population growth because of greater food availability, and technological advances leading to dependence on coal and other hydrocarbon fuels for utilisable energy. Increased concentrations of the greenhouse gases trap heat (ultimately of solar origin) within that part of the atmosphere closest to the earth. (The atmosphere also acts like a giant air conditioner, hot air rises and is cooled by the cold that surrounds the planet. I am advised it is in the vicinity of -150 degrees centigrade.)The major greenhouse gases emitted from human activities are carbon dioxide, methane(which according to NZ’s measuring station is reducing in concentration) and nitrous oxide. Carbon dioxide has a very complex and slow cycle such that once concentrations in the atmosphere increase, some of this increase will remain there for millennia. (According to my information, a fifth of atmospheric CO2 is recycled every year. Also if concentrations of CO2 were at 425 ppm in 1850, then how did it reduce so quickly to 280 ppm? Interesting) The other two gases have much shorter cycles, and thus their atmospheric concentrations could be changed quite quickly. Warming of the atmosphere also leads to an increase in water vapour content which further amplifies the warming, since water vapour is itself a strong greenhouse gas. (the strongest)
Ominously, the extent of human-induced global warming may be magnified by feedback effects that release even more greenhouse gases into the atmosphere as the world warms (carbon dioxide is less soluble in warmer sea water, and more methane may be released as the Arctic permafrost thaws) and cause less of the sun’s heat to be reflected by the melting polar ice caps. Other effects of increased carbon dioxide concentrations in the atmosphere include the gradual acidification of the ocean, (which has never happened even though CO2 has been in far higher atmospheric concentrations than now.) which could compromise the many marine organisms that build shells from calcium carbonate (such as molluscs, krill and corals) (all of which thrive with higher CO2 concentrations.) and itself cause a feedback effect by slowing the uptake of carbon dioxide from the atmosphere.
Understanding the complexity of climate science requires the involvement of many scientific disciplines, and this creates difficulties in reaching conclusions. There are unknowns, such as what will be the effects of altered cloud patterns on climate as global temperatures increase. Nevertheless, there is a high degree of agreement among scientists about the situation and the probable path ahead for our planet. Much of this agreement is encapsulated in the reports of the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC), which is the scientific group(since when is a bureaucratic group a scientific one.) charged by the global community to assess the state of understanding and integrate that understanding across these different scientific domains.
The periodic Assessment Reports of the IPCC – the fourth was in 2007 and the fifth will be completed in 2014 – inform policy-making in the area of climate change. But confronting climate change brings controversy. The impact of climate change is largely in the future, but to ameliorate it will require action in the present. The nature of the political process makes it difficult to commit significant resources in the short term for long-term benefit. Furthermore, because climate change requires global action, countries have difficulties suppressing national interest for united global interest and there is a large amount of positioning between nations. The whole matter is compounded by the reality that science cannot provide absolutely precise predictions about a future scenario for which there are no precedents. Action on climate change therefore depends on a set of political decisions that in turn must be made on the current assessment of the science and on the basis of scientific assessment of probability and risk.
Some science would say that the greater risk is global cooling as experienced during the dark ages and the little ice age, where many died from starvation and cold. Estimates are that up to half the population died because of the conditions.
While most scientists try to be detached and free from bias, they are never absolutely independent of their philosophical and political views, and thus one would expect some strong and passionate debate. But in general there is a high level of agreement on the trends and on expected future directions of change. Nevertheless, there are some scientists, although few of these are active climate researchers, who dispute the generally held conclusions. Some objections are based on faulty analysis or very narrow perceptions of what is important data.
31,000 scientists would disagree with you. Maybe those who object on what you call narrow grounds do so with the knowledge that their particular field of endeavour disagrees strongly with what is being promoted as fact. The concept of what is important data appears to be highly evident within the IPCC. Their refusal to incorporate what can only be considered important data shows a high level of bias on their part. To be objective all evidence must be considered not just what suits them.
Other objections reflect personal philosophical or political views. But there are some genuine uncertainties in the details of global warming, just as there are in any other science. Such sceptical views are important, as they force the scientific community to seek carefully for flaws in the analysis. A similar debate occurred about AIDS, where a minority of scientists maintained for a long time that the disease was not caused by a virus. This view was manifestly wrong in the eyes of most scientists, but nevertheless some distinguished scientists, albeit usually not experts in virology, took different views until the science became irrefutable. The political consequences of this denialism had tragic results in some African countries.
This is why climate warming scientists for 20 years refused to allow independent analysis of their work and it is only now that the science is available for critique. What have they got to hide.
Unfortunately, because of the complexity of control of planetary temperature and because we are having to construct predictions about the future rather than looking for a single present-day cause like a virus, efforts to calculate what the global temperature might be in (say) 2090 involve estimates, and estimates always have a range – the likely upper and lower values – and a level of uncertainty associated with them. For climate change, the uncertainty of the estimates is further compounded by changes in human behaviour – will there be sustained efforts to reduce the emissions of greenhouse gases and protect forests? Because some of this is happening outside the formal climate change initiatives, these changes are already reflected in the more optimistic projections of the climate experts.
The scientific community has estimated the extent of the global temperature change at the end of the 21st century compared to the end of the 20th century for a range of possible future scenarios if there are no policy-driven efforts to reduce greenhouse gas emissions. Their best estimates are for an increase of between 1.8 and 4.0°C.
Historical evidence and archaeological evidence says it has happened before with no devastating consequences. So what’s the problem.
There is no specific global temperature rise above which we can say changes will be ‘dangerous’ and below which changes will be ‘safe’. Any rise will have effects – indeed we are already experiencing some. However, the higher the rise the greater the effect on our lives, and the scientific literature indicates many risks for more than a 2°C rise in global temperature compared to pre-industrial conditions. The international view, supported by the actions of several countries, has been to adopt a global warming limit of 2°C or below (relative to pre-industrial) as a guiding principle for mitigation efforts, even though 2°C would still mean some changes in sea levels, in plant and animal ecosystems, in agriculture and in environmental quality. In New Zealand, even this small increase will have effects on our agriculture, coastlines and regional climates. The associated sea level rises will dramatically affect some of our Pacific Island neighbours.
In other words you want to return to how it was during the Little Ice Age. We can certainly say with confidence that anything below what is being experienced now will have dire consequences for all on this planet. History shows us that. Scientists studying sunspots are now saying that with the current lack of activity the planet is in for cooling for the next few decades, possibly until 2060.
But this rise of 2°C is well below most estimates of what is likely to happen if the current pattern of emissions production and rates of deforestation continue. In the absence of effective action, the midpoint of the IPCC estimates is a global temperature increase of about 3.3°C, compared to pre-industrial conditions, by about 2090. For this reason, there needs to be a global commitment to control the temperature rise. If the temperature rose by this amount then the scenarios become quite scary in terms of changes in climate, flooding of low-lying areas, new patterns of infectious disease, and reductions in the capacity of many parts of the world to support agriculture and therefore to support our continued existence as we know it. New Zealand would not be immune from these changes. None of this can be attributed to CO2. Even if CO2 doubled it will not cause any thing near this scenario. It is physically impossible.
Accordingly, the collective wisdom of the scientific community is that action is needed now. It is inherent in the time scale by which emission targeting can affect temperatures that action sooner will have a greater ameliorating effect. This means making decisions in the absence of absolute certainty. Certainty can never exist regarding the precise magnitudes of temperature, rainfall and sea-level changes in advance of the periods you actually make the measurements. We are dealing here with probabilities, and indeed dealing with probabilities is the normal business of science. Science has done its best to reduce the uncertainty and now has a high level of confidence that something must be done now, and that if nothing is done we will all suffer as global temperatures rise. Suffer what better standards of living? As we have already seen temperatures have been far higher than present during both the Roman and Medieval warm periods. Society flourished during these periods and suffered under global cooling.
There is a remote possibility that if we did little or nothing then the temperature would not rise to unacceptable levels. But we cannot gamble the future of the whole planet on the low probability of that occurring. We do many things in life that are based on the balance of probabilities, for example we think it prudent to insure our houses and wear seat belts in our cars not because we plan to have a fire or a crash, but rather because we are weighing the cost of the insurance premium or the minor inconvenience of putting on the seat belt against the significant risk of damage to our finances or ourselves if those events were to happen. It is the same with climate change – the collective wisdom of the scientific community is that action is needed to address global warming because without action the potential risk to the planet and ourselves is too high.
I have insured my house because I know that houses burn down, I hope it doesn’t. I wear a seatbelt because cars crash for various reasons and a seatbelt offers some protection. I see no reason to pay for, as you call it, insurance against global warming when at no time in history has the earth been under duress because of higher temperatures than now especially when you consider that warmer temperatures have been shown to be highly beneficial to the planet and it’s inhabitants.
The problem that overlays all of this is one of economics. To reduce emissions and to protect forests, which absorb carbon dioxide, has costs. The greater the degree of emission reduction required, the greater the cost. There are no easy and economical ‘silver bullet’ solutions to prevent the carbon dioxide and other greenhouse gases produced by human activity from ending up in the atmosphere, so substantial reductions in emissions are required. Global warming is indeed a global issue, and much of the international political debate is over how to share the effort in reducing the rate of temperature rise when some large emitters such as China and India wish to accelerate their economic development to reach the living standards of countries such as Europe and the USA who have already had the benefit of industrialisation and economic growth. Indeed, over the last year we have seen how central are the emerging economies to our own economic health. Political arguments then flow as to the most equitable way of doing it – in absolute terms China and India are large emitters, but when expressed per capita of population a different picture emerges and their emissions per person are less than a quarter of those of the most developed countries. The global political community has yet to solve these conflicting expectations.
What is the point as the evidence shows that it will not make a blind bit of difference if emissions are reduced or not. CO2 does not affect climate to any great degree. All this charging developed countries for emissions will do is stifle productivity, resulting in hardship for all.
New Zealand has a particularly unusual situation because about half of our emissions are derived from our farming industry, as ruminants expel methane into the atmosphere. We have significant forests that offset our carbon emissions and relatively low fossil fuel consumption, as we do not have much heavy industry. We are a long way from being able to reduce emissions from sheep and cattle unless we reduce herd size, which would affect the heart of our economy. Active research is starting to look at ways to change ruminant biology so they expel less methane; however while the research is promising, it is still some way from application. So if we commit to reducing emissions by a certain percentage, say 20%, and we cannot change livestock emissions much we would have to have a 40% reduction in other emissions to meet that target. This highlights the debate and dilemma over what emission target New Zealand should have. There is no scientific answer to this question of what our target should be. For New Zealand is a small emitter by world standards – only emitting some 0.2% of global greenhouse gases. So anything we do as a nation will in itself have little impact on the climate – our impact will be symbolic, moral and political. And totally useless.
Since 1990 NZ’s stock numbers have reduced markedly. Sheep numbers are down 50%, beef numbers are down 10%, dairy cow numbers are up, but overall stock numbers are down 8,000,000 stock units and John Key wants to take another 500,000 hectares out of production, this will remove another 5,000,000 stock units. Increasing costs of production will impact severely on this nations ability to provide not only for our own people but also our contribution to world food supplies.
The ‘tragedy of the commons’ is a concept well understood in economics. If a pasture is owned by no-one but everybody can graze their cattle on it without responsibility, then in time the common field will be available to no-one because the field will have been overgrazed by some users at the expense of others. If that is the only field, then the community can no longer support cattle. Such scenarios are not unusual and our species has fallen into this trap more than once. On Rapanui (Easter Island) there were no trees left by the time the first European explorers arrived, and the Rapanuians had thereby lost the ability to make canoes and to fish, except from the shore. Their lifestyle and indeed their sustainability were forever radically altered.
The risk is that the consequences of a changing global climate will become another tragedy of the commons – if collective action is not taken then everyone will suffer. The conundrum for the politician is real – how to achieve collective action. That is not easy, because it means spending resources now to protect the world for future generations and it is inevitable that every player is looking to protect their own short-term position. Unfortunately, science cannot provide the complete answer – it can define the problem and investigate mitigating actions, but achieving a solution is a matter of politics.
There is no easy answer – the science is solid but absolute certainty will never exist. As part of the global community, New Zealand has to decide what economic costs it will bear and what changes in the way we live will be needed. We must be involved. This is a global challenge, and a country like ours that aspires to be respected as a leading innovative nation cannot afford to appear to be not fully involved. Indeed, such a perception would compromise our reputation and potential markets.
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All very interesting, but ultimately of little relevance, especially when CO2 is not accomplishing what it is being accused of. Scientific studies undertaken to support the IPCC stance have come out in contradiction with their conclusions. These studies show conclusive evidence that it is impossible for CO2 to affect the climate in the ways being claimed. In fact scientists are now proving that sunspot activity has a far greater effect on climate and that the two patterns of temperature and sunspot activity match each other intimately.
Through studies undertaken scientists have been able to correlate sunspot activity and temperature variation back 10,000 years with complete accuracy. Sunspot activity releases vast amounts of energy, which has an immediate impact on temperatures. Not only on earth but on all planets within the solar system. The Hubble telescope has verified that the recent increase on earth was mirrored on all the other planets. This proves that CO2 is not responsible for the observed temperature increase. Now solar scientists have observed that sunspot activity has basically stopped and that the planet, as a result is cooling. They have also discovered that there are 5 different solar cycles an 11.1 year, 22.2 year, 85 year, 206 year and a 1500 year cycle. The current reduction in sunspot activity is the 206 year cycle which correlates to the late 1700’s early 1800’s. This cycle is an extended cool period over several decades which is why they are warning of colder temperatures with possible dramatic consequences.
200 years ago in 1816 the Thames river froze enough to walk an elephant across safely. This hasn’t been possible since.
Recent information from Europe shows a growing scepticism with the IPCC’s claims, not only from the masses but also amongst Europe’s leaders, with several questioning the warming claims made about CO2. Also as you have seen from my comments earlier in your article a great many scientists disagree with the IPCC’s findings. The concept that the science is solid is a false statement, as I have shown. If anything the science is solid on the side of those who dispute that CO2 is responsible for warming.